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Fifteen Plus One-and-a-Half

Post by Russell W. Barnes » Thu May 02, 2013 1:23 pm

I found these in an old Marconi wavemeter down the crypt at work. I have kept them with a view to removing the card sleeves from the batteries and scanning them to size, opened out. I'll get around to it sometime, likely...

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Re: Fifteen Plus One-and-a-Half

Post by sideband » Thu May 02, 2013 2:16 pm

I remember the 3V '800' types as they were used in cyle lamps but the block 'S' type is a new one on me. Presumably a special for instrument use?


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Re: Fifteen Plus One-and-a-Half

Post by Michael Watterson » Thu May 02, 2013 2:56 pm

The Square one is an alternative to the No.6 or Flag or Igniter (IEC = R40). There are versions with two screw terminals. It's a lot smaller than a #6 cell.

The #6 can come in version with one terminal and wire or two terminals too.

I'd love a 300dpi scan of it. I only have poor photos.
It's an Ever Ready R1662
Here are a couple that didn't sell on 7th April
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/190819071857

I have a picture of various Siemens cells, 3 square cross section 1.5V, F size, this size and No.6 Size, from an ebay listing. I'm sure I've seen US versions, but my US Eveready shortform from 1955 only has the F, G (964) and No.6 (Ignitor) based single cells.

A DEAC is similar design case, but smaller even than an F cell.

I just noticed the US Eveready 740 is a staggering 18 x F cells in parallel (that's 9 of the 800 packs in size, the 800 pictured is 2 x F cells) 6lb weight = 2.72 kg! . The 776 is even bigger having 18 x F cells for 9V tapped at 7.5V and also 90V via layer cells. 14lb 12 oz. The 758 must have smaller layer cells as it's 14lb 4 oz (also 18 x F cells)

 
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Re: Fifteen Plus One-and-a-Half

Post by Russell W. Barnes » Thu May 02, 2013 3:39 pm

I have an Ever Ready R1662 at home (a la Avometer) which I can open out and scan. The 'S'-Cell shown in my photo measures 4" high x 1 1/2" width x 1 1/2" depth. There may be a nominal 1/16" inch there height-wise.

S-Cells like the one shown were used in field-telephones 'D', 'F', and 'J' (and probably others).

 
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Re: Fifteen Plus One-and-a-Half

Post by Michael Watterson » Thu May 02, 2013 5:17 pm

I wonder what size R1662 is then?

A "G" cell is 1.375 dia by 4.172" high (not sure if that is to top of +ve pip or top of case), so an "S" cell is probably a boxed "G" cell.

Here is the Siemens "S", T and two others edited same scale from larger selection
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Is an Ever Ready R1662 the same as a "T" (in which case it's maybe an F cell)?


Note that one of the Siemens Brothers (of the famous German company) came and settled in the UK and created Siemens Bros of London, a UK company.
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Re: Fifteen Plus One-and-a-Half

Post by Michael Watterson » Thu May 02, 2013 5:24 pm

My eventual aim is a database of every battery. I was going to just do ones for Radio, but some very unexpected ones are used in Radios, so I'm just gradually collecting info on them all.

Several Pye Battery mains set use "7.5V" (five filaments) series chain for filaments yet use 2 x 4.5V bell batteries!
http://www.radiomuseum.org/r/ever_battery_126.html
Go
http://www.radiomuseum.org/m/ever_gb_en_1~typ.html

Click on "Type" header so all the Batteries are at the start and then click Gallery ...

 
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Re: Fifteen Plus One-and-a-Half

Post by Russell W. Barnes » Thu May 02, 2013 6:29 pm

Michael Watterson wrote:I wonder what size R1662 is then?


3 5/16" high (excluding terminal) x 1 1/8" x 1 1/8".

Here's mine.
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Re: Fifteen Plus One-and-a-Half

Post by Mike C » Thu May 02, 2013 6:33 pm

The old twin cell No 800 which was used in cycle lamps, that was its main function, each cell 1.5v two wired in series to make 3v. You can obtain these large cells out of a lantern 6V battery, those with the springs on. I have a miniature valve hearing aid by Bonocord that used this size for the LT side but I have never seen them in test meters. If your rebuilding them just use these size cells from a lantern battery, The AD28 uses three of these size cells but your best option cost wise is the lantern battery.

 
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Re: Fifteen Plus One-and-a-Half

Post by Russell W. Barnes » Thu May 02, 2013 6:35 pm

Michael Watterson wrote:
Is an Ever Ready R1662 the same as a "T" (in which case it's maybe an F cell)?


Don't know, but I suspect an 'S' cell is the same as an 'X' cell (more battery info!), as the instruction on a type 'D' field telephone suggests either will do. Maybe it's the terminal arrangements?

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Re: Fifteen Plus One-and-a-Half

Post by Mike C » Thu May 02, 2013 7:16 pm

Michael I noticed on the battery section of that site that they are trying to get pictures of some batteries, some don't have pictures and I have had a quick look through and I have some of those cells, please feel free to use my pics. I have a U7 in the flesh, its an old AA. Sadly I don't have any U8 or U10 cells but I have faked some labels up for my own use, here are a few of mine I think you may be missing pics of on there.
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Re: Fifteen Plus One-and-a-Half

Post by Michael Watterson » Thu May 02, 2013 7:26 pm

Thanks mike, I need large ones ideally about 1024 pixels per battery.
Some of the other brands are well represented (eveready/NCC and Pertrix/Varta etc), there was only 1 Ever Ready and no Vidor when I started adding them.

you can use this link
http://www.radiomuseum.org/dsp_mailformular.cfm

or just email me.

Or you can join free and upload and create directly.

 

Re: Fifteen Plus One-and-a-Half

Post by Mike C » Thu May 02, 2013 7:35 pm

I am not that good at resizing pictures as photobucket takes ages but feel free to click and copy what I post here or PM me your email address and I will have a go at sending what I have put on here for you to add to the site, over the years many battery firms changed the design, I have a few versions of the 1289 along with D cells and my room has well over 500 examples of batteries, some for radio but mainly torch types. I have some drydex types but the sites main focus is on Ever Ready which makes life easy. I don't have many Vidor examples and a lot of my collection when I started was from Ebay but now I tend to tour boot fairs and sometimes I find stuff. If your on Facebook you can add me if you wish. I wish this site had a facebook group.

https://www.facebook.com/mike.cummings.526?ref=tn_tnmn My avatar is an old Hoggetts crisp tin enamel sign.

 
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Re: Fifteen Plus One-and-a-Half

Post by Russell W. Barnes » Thu May 02, 2013 7:50 pm

I have just scanned the case, opened up, of the 'S'-Cell, at 300dpi, and saved it as a 25MB BMP file. If anyone wants a copy, drop me an e-mail to xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.co.uk and I'll send them one.
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Re: Fifteen Plus One-and-a-Half

Post by Herald1360 » Thu May 16, 2013 11:49 pm

Michael Watterson wrote:
Note that one of the Siemens Brothers (of the famous German company) came and settled in the UK and created Siemens Bros of London, a UK company.


That was Wilhelm von Siemens- later Sir William Siemens

http://www.siemens.com/history/en/perso ... .htm#toc-2

 

Re: Fifteen Plus One-and-a-Half

Post by Mike C » Mon May 20, 2013 8:29 pm

Siemens brothers were based in Woolwich London. Later batteries were blue and orange and branded full o power as were there lanterns.


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